@Hays Resident (glad it passed): 11/19/2009
I'm thrilled that you decided to draw comparisons on statistics between species and throw a random, 10% of pit bulls as inherently dangerous, assumption in there. Do you realize your logic warrants that all humans walk around handcuffed? After all between the "statistical percentage" of human-human attacks vs. pit bull-human attacks there are likely far more humans attacking humans than dogs in general much less pit bulls. Now that I have addressed lunacy, please keep this thread relevant to the facts. Even with a muzzle in place, one would serve themself to pass along what is true and debunk what is ignorant misinformation that was picked up along the way. Education, folks. Please credit yourselves with more sensible action.
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Glad it passed :): 11/19/2009
To 'Lover of all animals'-you should probably READ my post before commenting. I stated that the website I posted may not be THE (meaning one and only) place to go to for facts. There are plenty of other sites with facts. Geez....just type it in to any search engine. I did that and came up with basically the same answers. And to the person that mentioned several types of dogs and said they were related as far as breeds go....duh! Dogs are one of the few species that are so different in appearance, but so very close genetically. But all dogs are related. Humans even share 99% of the genetic code with chimpanzees. The point the city and citizens are trying to make is we would like to take steps to help prevent a dog mauling or killing someone. NO breed was banned. And breeds not generally associated with mauling and killing people were not restricted. They only put restrictions on the ONE breed known for these heinous acts. Sure...maybe 90% of the pit bulls are nice. But history shows that when someone dies at the hands of a dog, it USUALLY is a pit bull. I see NO reason whatsoever that I should have to be watching my back constantly when my kids are at the park cause some pit bull owner thinks it's cool to play frisbee with their pit bull that doesn't have a muzzle and doesn't have a lease.
(Posted by: Hays resident)

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well put: 11/18/2009
Good job Eric Allan. I"m totally with you. Thanks for your supportive comments.
(Posted by: haysite)

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@ Did my homework: 11/17/2009
That was exactly my sentiment on refering to the fact that no other breeds are lumped together as a "type" of dog. I am not upset as an owner and an advocate for APBT because I disagree, (which I do wholeheartedly and with applicable research and experience), but because I believe if you muzzle one, muzzle them all. Any breed of dog within Hays city limits who has ever been reported in an attack should be muzzled. As a metter of fact, Hays, Where are your reports on dog attacks. Methinks you wouldn't have a slanted number of reported pit bull attacks so disproportionate to that of other breeds. Care to share?
(Posted by: Eric Allen)

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Top Ten Dogs That Are Dangerous: 11/17/2009
According to the Center for Disease Control, the top 10 most dangerous dogs are:
According to the CDC (Center for Disease Control) The ten most dangerous dogs are:
•1. German Shepards
•2. Rottweilers
•3. Bulldogs
•4. Chow Chows
•5.wolf hound
•6. Doberman
7.Pit Bulls
•8. St.Benards
•9.Great Danes
•10. bull mastiff
Rottweilers, Bulldogs, Great Danes, Pitbulls, And Bull Mastiffs are related as far as breeds go. So...Since this is true...Does this mean that All of these other breeds aside from Pit Bulls are considered dangerous in the City of Hays and will also be wearing Muzzles?
(Posted by: Did my Homework)

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NO..>THE POINT IS>>>>HAYS RESIDENT: 11/17/2009
Do you even know what you are saying? You say in one breath that this website states the FACTS...In other you say you didn't say it was a place of truthful statements. FACTS ARE TRUTH! Seriously..The law has passed...so we will abide..But we don't have to like it and we don't have to keep our opinions to ourselves. If you don't want to hear our complaints, don't read them. plain and simple. But those of us who are owners and responsible and respected owners have as much right as you to say what we feel and think. And if you have any questions to my viability as an owner or being a responsible one....I am a member of the humane society and often get calls from the humane society in all areas of the state in order to have a placement for unwanted animals. THAT IS THE FACTS JACK!!!!
(Posted by: Lover of All Animals)

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The point IS....: 11/16/2009
I didn't mention dogbitelaw.com as THE place for truthful information. I merely stated that if you take 5 seconds away from complaining that your rights as a pit bull owner are being violated and look up the facts, you'll see about the same thing on all sites. That a select FEW breeds of dogs create the vast MAJORITY of deaths & maulings. As far as that one site itself, who knows. It does say in the first line it's a 'non commercial website' and the author section says he answer's questions for free. I also don't see a form to fill out for paid for services. So - not sure why you think it is strictly an advertisement. Anywho....if you don't like that site, google another with a search question pertaining to 'breed of dog causing most deaths' or something like that and let us all know just how wrong we are ;)
(Posted by: Hays resident)

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dogbitelaw: 11/16/2009
if anyone paid any attention..This site is an advertisement for a lawyer..and we all know that lawyers are a dime a dozen and only want your money..they are NOT stating FACTS..They are swooning in for your MONEY!!!!!
(Posted by: Lover of ALL animals)

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: 11/16/2009
I went to dogbitelaw.com. Sounds like alot of lawyer views to me.
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@ Facts-OK, Here they are: 11/16/2009
Please go back to the very same website dogbitelaw.com and read the section suheaded, "The Problem with statistics". Also please read my previous response with a small amount devoted to statistics in general.
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Facts-ok,here they are: 11/16/2009
The pit bull owners want facts to justify this. All I did was take 5 seconds and typed it into google. Here's one example. Go to dogbitelaw.com It says 74% of deadly attacks were caused by 3 breeds of dogs, pit bulls being one of them. There.
(Posted by: Hays resident)

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The Point Is....: 11/16/2009
It's good to see that there are so many different opinions on this subject. Let me start by saying that I am a Pitbull owner. I do not live in Hays. I have seen this type of subject in many different cities and states. Years ago, I would of never even considered being in the same room, muchless owning a pitbull. Some of my friends had pits and the dogs were just plain mean. They would growl and snarl at anyone who didn't live in the household and my friends didn't try to remedy that. The dog actually bit a room mate of theirs and she moved out because of it. My friends were owners because they were breeding them AFTER they had adopted them from shelters. They LIKED the idea that people were scared of their dogs. I found out later they used these dogs to keep unwanted people away because they were dealers. And unfortunately, even after all these years...It appears that being a pitbull owner gives a certain stereotypical reaction. My first positive experience with pits came when one of my family members came home one day and was toting his pitbull with him. I about fell over. She scared me senseless. I felt like I had to have eyes in the back of my head. She never displayed any type of aggression ...I just felt like that because of experiences I had previously. The more time I spent with her, the more I felt at ease. That's when I decided I would educate myself. I studied the breed and other breeds as well. I have been an animal owner most of my life. In fact, my entire family have enjoyed these dogs so much that there are at least three of us who have become pitbull owners. Fortunately, I have never had to deal with any of my animals being aggressive. I have owned german shepards, husky's, collies, pomeranians, and yorkies, and now pitbulls. All of my animals have been like family members to me and my family. They have all at some point in time, felt the need to defend their territory. This does NOT make them aggressive. Its other animal owners who are not respectful and responsible who make it tough for those of us who are. I know two families who own german shepards and their shepards are WAY more aggressive and bark and growl at other animals and even at me when they see me in the yard. I, of course, do not give them the attention and they quit. But if a small child were to encounter that, what would happen? I do not even want to think of it. I had a cat that beat the crap out of a dog once because he was defending his territory...another story in itself. But does that make my cat vicious or dangerous? Should I muzzle my cat? Ok ok...The point is...While the city commissioners may have not educated themselves to the extent that we as owners have, they had several complaints and felt it was necessary to deal with it. It's not the city commission's fault they are so uneducated. Really ..you can't blame them. They have other things on their minds despite the fact it is their responsibility to fully educate themselves and making a public awareness of ALL animal attacks. They are more worried about how they will sleep at night. They are not owners and let's face it folks...how many times do you hear about a german shepard maming and mauling a child? You don't. It's not front page news, it doesn't make the headline news or CNN (even though it happens). ..it's the pitbulls that make it that way. Or is it? It's my belief that it IS our responsibility as owners to not only protect those who come in contact with our dogs, but to protect our Pitbulls as wellas well as obey all laws. I am thankful that I can still bring my 4 legged family members to the City Of Hays..even if they have to have muzzles. And if putting muzzles on them is what I have to do to protect my precious ones..then that is exactly what I do, because I am a respectable and responsible owner! Will they like it...No...BUT My dogs are very social and they LOVE kids and love being around others. They would lick you to death before they ever thought of eating anyone. BUT..dogs just as humans have an innate response to react to whatever situation they are in. Think about it...if someone ticks you off...you react. It's how you are trained and how responsible your parents were in teaching you and raising you which helps you decide how you will react. We are all a product of our environment. Hence, it definitely is owner responsibility...and unfortunately, we don't always find good pitbull owners and THEY are the ones that give our precious ones the bad reputations! For those of you who are Dog Whisperer watchers...Even Cesar Milan uses muzzles in order to protect himself and the animal. It's how he trains them and he himself will tell you that in order to be a responsible pet owner, you must be aware at all times that a dog ...ANY dog can turn on you and can cause serious damage. You have to be aware of your surroundings and the signals your pets give that will indicate they are about to bite. I think this is wrong to be breed specific. I think if one breed has to use the muzzle, ALL breeds should be considered dangerous and ALL should wear the muzzle. ALL dogs should have to be chipped. Why is it that Pitbull owners are the only ones who have to be responsible owners? Especially since it is a proven FACT that ALL DOGS can be mean and attack, depending on their owners. We as pitbull owners should be proud of the fact that we are not only educated, but willing to do what it takes to keep our bullies safe. It will be interesting to see how many other complaints the city of hays gets about other breeds attacking. It will be interesting to see how many lawsuits for discrimination against a breed the city of hays has to handle because they were uneducated. And they will have no one to blame but themselves. Even if the case doesn't win in court...How much money will the tax payers have to fork out to defend their city? And all the while, I will be at home sleeping at night knowing that my dogs are safe and protected when they visit Hays. Because I am a responsible and not only respectful...but a respected owner! Its really too bad that the city didn't stop and consider in all these months of supposedly educating themselves that there are ways to educate the public and really think about implications of their actions. They could have done things a lot different. And I will agree with the writer who said "Your Sins Will Find You Out"..That goes for everyone..Not just some.
(Posted by: Lover of all Animals Good or Bad)

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Taking the easy way out: 11/15/2009
"Keeping our community safe and knowing the truth--that pit bulls, even well-trained, can mull and maim." Any dog can maul and maim. Pit Bulls are easy scapegoats for weak politicians and weaker-minded voters. Take a look at places that have passed anti-Pit Bull laws ands you'll see the truth: bites go don't go down. But as we have seen, Kansas is never a state to let facts get in the way of popular policy
(Posted by: Glad to Live Elsewhere)

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another joke....: 11/15/2009
in the 60's it was the racial fights, now we have commmisioners who don't have a clue that a dog is just a dog, no matter what breed they are... my heeler has killed coyotes but still loves petted...
(Posted by: cj9)

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: 11/15/2009
This is absolutely ridiculous. An animal's behavior is a direct reflection of their owner's responsibility regardless of breed. I would like to see what research they did that effectively discriminates against a member of my family. Almost all negative research is neglectful at best and includes statistic information in a biased, "lump sum" format at worst. For example, have you ever read a report of animal bites from a Doberman "type" dog. It is not because they don't bite. It is, however, because many reports include everything that has the word "terrier" attached to it in these bloated negative statistics. This is truly appalling. The American bulldog once held a place at the table as the mascot for American standards such as The Little Rascals (Petey was in fact an American Pit Bull), Buster Brown Shoes and RCA records. To see Hays participate in such bigotry lumps them in the same category as Michael Vick in my eyes. Batardizing an American standard because the breed was used as a poster child for underground dog fighting in the early 20th century is outmoded and ignorant. The breed was admittedly the popular choice in dog fighting circles for the same reasons it was the most popular American household pet in the first half of the 20th century. It is smart, strong and intelligent. It is shameful for these traits to be held against any breed. Historically, pit bulls were also chosen as fighting dogs for their calm, yes calm, temperment. They were not only easy to seperate from other dogs by their handlers but showed aggression only when trained to do so. Often fighting dogs that even nipped at their owners were youthanized. My male, neutered, highly friendly pit bull is six years old on December 8th. My daughter is six years old in February. They were raised together. I relocated to Hays in March. Our "son" now lives out of state with my wife's mother because the moment pit bull came out of my mouth I was not treated with kindness by potential lessors. My family and especially my daughter miss him dearly. Thanks, Hays, for one more roadblock. My firearms are dangerous when handle improperly. Are you coming for those next, Hays? My name is Eric Allen and anyone can feel free to contact me regarding any information posted in this response. eric_kate@sbcglobal.net. If you would like eduaction on the breed or if you would like to fight the muzzling of my family. Anonymity will not save us against bigotry.
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Finally: 11/15/2009
I'm glad they passed this ordinance. To the people on here complaining-grow up. The commission isn't saying pit bulls are the only dogs that bite. It's the fact that they are the one breed of dog that tends to maim & kill. THAT'S what concerns us. Consider this-if a person living in your apartment complex has a bull snake as a pet, I doubt if you would worry about your 5 year old getting bit by it. Now if you knew this person had a African pit viper who's bite normally causes loss of limb if not life, you all of a sudden have reason to fear. THAT'S the whole point of this argument. They didn't say you couldn't have a pit bull as a pet. They just want you to take precautions to help prevent someone getting seriously hurt.
(Posted by: Hays parent)

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: 11/15/2009
Any dog can "attack". It's the strength, disposition and size of the dog that matters. Sure, a yorkie might attack or bite. But, it's not a powerful dog and it certainly doesn't stand at eye level or weigh 40 pounds more than a child. Parents, also, must be responsible in teaching their children how to behave around ANY dog. Accidents happen and things sometimes go wrong. Both sides must be responsible for the behavior of their pets and their children. And know that when the two are combined, things sometimes go wrong.
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Placing Blame.: 11/14/2009
Now that the city of hays commissioners have voted in favor on all the ridiculous rules on "dangerous dog breeds " We as GREAT pitbull owners will abide to the fullest extent. ...BUT...heres a question for you to think long and hard about...WILL YOUR DOG BE THE NEXT TO BE ACCUSED FOR ANOTHER DOGS DOING? You can ony lay the blame on one specific breed for so long until the real problem begins to rip though the veil that you call "an answer to the problem".The real answer is that the community as a whole needs to educate themselves on this breed before you buy,own,or try and discriminate against these so called dangerous dogs.I hear people saying "WHAT IF" but heres the deal if any other breed of dog that is not considered "dangerous" were to have done this i can fully say it would not have even been brought to the attention of the city of hays or its comissioners. This is media,this is hype,and this is what destroys many loving homes and ends the lives of innocent dogs.All because you hear one thing and then belive that its the god honest truth...many of you dont have hard facts that can pertain to "pitbulls".. many of you make accusations and threats towards not only the dogs themselves but towards the owners of these GREAT dogs...in the end you dont learn you only hate and that is enough to prove my point. "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated"
(Posted by: Pit Bull Mom)

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: 11/14/2009
its amazing how many small minded people there are in this town, and its sad that our city commissioners are those sorts of people as well. aggression in dogs has nothing to do with the breed- it has to do with the owner. ANY dog who bites a person should have consequence- as should its owner. for all you small minded people who are commenting "congrats hays!" or making up some sob story about the safety of ur kids need to get off the computer and go cook or something. if ur scared of dogs, then stay away from them. i have a pit myself that i take on regular walks... and i cannot tell u how many kids APPROACH ME and ask if they can pet it. if u dont want ur kids getting bit, then teach THEM to stay away from dogs too! every dog will bite- its just a matter of what you have to do to make it. most kids provoke dog bites, but its the dog who gets punished. seriously, grow up and find something else to be happy about. and take ur small minds out of here.
(Posted by: royally annoyed )

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Response:(I'd never think of taking my cat to the bowling alley): 11/14/2009
The reason she is allowed to have Brodie at the bowling alley is beacuse he is a certified service dog in the state of kansas.He helps kansas individuals who are visually impaired or physically disabled by providing highly-trained canine assistance and support.Therefore he is welcome in any establishment where assistant dogs are welcome....unlike you,your condescending attitude and your cat.
(Posted by: Loving Pit Bull Mom)

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pitbulls: 11/14/2009
My 2 year old was bitten by Janet Waggoners German Shepard, it's not just the breed, it's many breeds and how they are trained. My child has been around many breeds and sizes with only the German Shepard actually biting and quite a few smaller dogs who tried but were prevented.
(Posted by: logical parent)

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Good solution. : 11/14/2009
90% You people are idiots. Granted... maybe it IS the owner and not the breed. The fact is, if you can't regulate the breed of dog, how in the hell are you going to regulate the OWNERS??? If you're so damned smart, then HOW? Again, bad dog owners may be the only reason for the pit attacks, but face it: Banning these damned dogs is STILL a hell of alot better than letting a few people own them who pose to be a public safety threat. Frankly, I can't stand the dogs, Nor the owners. They can BOTH be eradicated for all I care.
(Posted by: jj)

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Stupid!!: 11/14/2009
I can not believe how ignorant people are! Pit bulls are amazing dogs!!
(Posted by: Pit bull lover!)

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I LOVE MY PITBULL!!: 11/14/2009
It's so aggravating to hear of all the negitivity that is published against Pitbulls. I have a 9 month old Pit who is nothing but a big loving lap dog. He is great with my four year old daughter as well as my two small shih tzu's puppies. Just like people, animals live what they learn. If animals are trained to be agressive and are treated poorly the animal knows nothing different. As far as I'm concerned this is just another way to take accountibility away from unresponsible owners. Instead of enfourcing new laws and regulations why not follow though with the current leash guidlines. What a waist of time and money! FYI our country is in a state of war, unemployment is higher than ever, the economy continues to worsen day by day... Sounds to me there are much bigger things the City Council needs to be focusing on!!
(Posted by: Glad I Live In Colorado)

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: 11/14/2009
I know that in the event that my pitbull bites someone that yes it would do some damage. However my dog is not vicious he doesn't bark at neighbors or chase after the paperboy, quite the opposite my neighbors and my paperboy come by and pet my pit every time I have him out in the neighborhood. If I felt or have notice uber aggressive behavior I wouldn't the neighbor kids play with my dog. More over I have let the neighborhood kids know about what is an acceptable way to play with him. A lil responsibility goes a long way. Pitbulls are commonly refered to as "nanny" dogs.
(Posted by: i'll wear a muzzle not my dog)

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no more fetch: 11/14/2009
My loving 3 year old pitbull's favorite thing in the world is going to the park and playin fetch which now I'm forced to travel outside city limits just for my dog to play. Previously anytime I have ever seen a dog with a muzzle on regardless of breed I've assumed the dog was vicious and needed the muzzle. Now some of the calmest, most loyal animals are forced to where muzzles and that stereotype will grow 10 fold. This is just one step closer to city saying that I have to get rid of a member of my family. Some ppl just shouldn't be dog owners and it makes us all look bad.
(Posted by: Fear the owner not the dog)

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: 11/14/2009
Hey "i'd never take my cat to the bowling alley" your an idiot, Brodie is a "service dog" hence why he can go to the bowling alley, and schools, and pretty much wherever the owner goes! And you people really need to start reading more, Pit Bulls are outcasts so thats why they are the only breed you hear about when someone gets attacked.. Good lord you all live your lives around what papers and tv says, do your work and read about all the other attacks by non outcast breeds.. Oh and if I didn't live out of town I would have definitely been at that meeting speaking my mind.. And I don't own a Pit Bull, they are severely misunderstood because of stupid in this world..
(Posted by: Dog Lover)

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pittbull: 11/14/2009
I got bitten by a dog as a child and it wasn't a pit, i've been around a few pits and they were sweet. I am not an owner and think that is ordinace it just plain stupid what about all the other dogs that bite it's ok for them.
(Posted by: Hays resident)

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: 11/14/2009
This kind of discrimination would never be allowed if you were talking about a race of people. Discriminating against a dog breed is just as ridiculous. I personaly do not own any dogs, but have many friends and family who have had different types of dogs. I had reservations about pit bulls due to all the media, but when 2 different relatives owned pit bulls, I discovered it really is all in how they are raised. The bigger picture here is that Hays already has a leash law, so how could this pit bull have attacked and killed the little girl's dog? Maybe the city should actually use the laws it already had to enforce against "vicious dogs". If they are on a leash, the owner should be able to control the dog and keep it away from anyone/thing it is lunging at or growling/barking at.
(Posted by: not in kansas anymore)

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: 11/14/2009
finally!!! Congrats Hays!
(Posted by: momof4)

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Brodie the Pit Bull: 11/14/2009
"I have met Mandy's Brodie, and he is one of the calmest dogs I've met. He let children at the bowling alley crawl all over him. Good job, Mandy!" Exactly why was this dog at the bowling alley? Here's part of the problem. Leave your dog at home. Why do you assume your dog is welcome everywhere?
(Posted by: I'd never think of taking my cat to the bowling alley)

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Arm Chair Quarterback: 11/14/2009
Where were all you during the commissioners meeting. Its easy to slam the commissioners decision from behind a keyboard. If you want them to hear you - talk to them before the vote and go to the commission meetings.
(Posted by: Tired of whiny citizens)

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Bites happen: 11/14/2009
It's not just pit bull owners who say "oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know my dog would do that." Think about it. In today's litigious society, who in their right minds would say "oh yeah, my dog bit three people before you, I knew it was dangerous"? Folks, NO SANE DOG OWNER, regardless of their dog's breed, is going to admit that they knew their dog was dangerous before it bit. And for those of you who have never heard of a beagle biting someone, go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8YVzhhDSv8 (family Beagle mix gives little girl 40 stitches in face) Took me less than 3 seconds to find this story on Google. For other stories of so-called "family" breeds attacking people, check out: http://dogattacksyouneverhearabout.blogspot.com/ Stop pretending the problem is only pit bulls--it'll just get you or your kids bitten.
(Posted by: JPT)

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Owner Responsibility: 11/14/2009
Why are you pit bull supporters so upset? I'd say you should actually be happy the breed wasn't banned totally. You can get on your soapbox all you want, but that breed of dog has caused more maulings and death than any other. Saying I was bit as a child by a terrier or that a german shephard in Arkansas killed someone in 2001 doesn't cut it. We're looking at the whole picture. When you hear about someone being severly injured by a dog, you almost always hear next it was a pit bull. If you're a responsible dog owner and have a pit bull, you should realize that these regulations will only help. Why can you voice such negativity when a commission is only looking out after it's citizens? Maybe your dog won't bite my kid, but then again, I don't really care about your kid. It's MINE that I'm wanting to protect from YOUR dog. Look at the chimp story of recent news. She raised it for like 15 years, took great care of it, said it would never hurt anyone. Then it ripped the hands off her friend that it knew. And ate out her eyes and jawbone. Pit bulls and chimps are very strong animals and can kill when they get the urge. Greater rules need to apply to them. To the commissioners-no decision is easy. I'm one that applauds for standing up and being proactive to prevent the next meeting that might deal with a 5 year old death due to a pit bull mauling. I hope this town never has to have that in it's headlines.
(Posted by: Concerned parent)

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Thank you Commissioners: 11/13/2009
We appreciate your standing up to the pit bulls and their bully owners. Hopefully they will be banned from city owned parks and property. Keeping our community safe and knowing the truth--that pit bulls, even well-trained, can mull and maim. Thank you.
(Posted by: Hays citizen.)

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pit bull supporter: 11/13/2009
This decision is so unfair and upsetting. I am disappointed in the onesided mind set of the commissioners. If it had been an incident with any other breed of dog nothing would of been said but because it was a pit bull its an issue. Seems so political . It is a sad thing for this breed of dog to be so discriminated against. I have been around them and they are loving dogs. They are not born mean. Just misunderstood.
(Posted by: upset hays resident)

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Think: 11/13/2009
German Shepherds have attacked also. One severly bit the face of a young child in Phillips County several years ago. This dog was a 'family pet' of the grandmother of the young girl that got bitten. It's not just Am Stafs - German Shepherds also bite and not let go - ie: Police dogs. Several years ago it was the Doberman that everyone feared because they were a "dangerous breed" used in Vietnam, and now it is the Pits. Come on people get educated.
(Posted by: Phillips Co)

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Pits: 11/13/2009
I have known 3 pit bulls and all 3 were more calm and friendly than my Yorki. My dog is more territorial than those 3 Pits. It's definately the way they are raised not the breed! I agree = educate people. The bad Pits have given the good ones a 'bad rap'. I would have no problem with a Pit like Brodie or Dunbar being around my grandchildren. All you have to do is watch the Dog Whisperer to understand 'It's all in how they are raised - as with ANY breed' why punish the Pit owners? Boxers, German Shepard, Doberman's etc. ect. can also be very aggressive and 'dangerous'.
(Posted by: GranJan)

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: 11/13/2009
I've never read a news story that read beagle mauls child.
(Posted by: )

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Ridiculous: 11/13/2009
A pit bull is not a dangerous dog its the uneducated owners who want a dog and dont know how to raise it. American Stafforshire Terriers are their respectful name not (pit bulls) I think I will start calling the commissioners pit bulls because they seem to act in more of the manner of a pit bull than the dog does!!! All they are hearing is the negative facts about this wonderful animal. There are many more breeds that are just as if not more vicious than these dogs such as german shepherds the taco bell dogs bite more people in the country every year than pit bulls and dobermans combined but they dont outlaw them in towns cause Paris Hilton would have a cow!!! HAHA this breed-specific legislation is a joke just like the commissioners of this town are!!
(Posted by: Think this one through!!)

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Easy Way Out!: 11/13/2009
Take the easy way out and pass a pit bull ordinance rather than consider each dog individually! I would hope that the city would at least remove the requirement for a "muzzle in public" and an add'l $50 fee in the case of an owner who has already demonstrated responsibility in properly "bringing up" such a "dangerous dog"! NEWS FLASH, folks!! "Dangerous dogs" don't become CERTIFIED SERVICE DOGS!!!
(Posted by: CM2PTATC-Rottie Mom, too!)

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1 more thing..: 11/13/2009
What is the reasoning behind all this?? How did this become such a HUGE issue for just PITBULLS?
(Posted by: )

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...: 11/13/2009
The City needs to pull their heads out of the rearends and look at the actual picture. You have absolutely no clue what the truth is. You are taking this way out of proportion, and your sins will find you out. Just because you are scared and afraid doesn't mean that every single person in this town is going to be. I do believe it was Theodore Roosevelt who also had a pitbull and he was just fine. The only thing that makes pits mean are how they are brought up. I do not have a pitbull so you cannot say that the only people that are protesting this are pitbull owners. Many friends, family members of mine have pits, and they have all been brought up fine. NO PROBLEMS..The only problem is YOU and YOUR FEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Posted by: )

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Pit bulls are Pit bulls: 11/13/2009
While I can sympathize with Wallgren, there still is the hard data that most dog attacks of a severe nature are from pit bulls. Plus we just had a recent one in Hays where a child's dog was killed right before her eyes by a pit bull. People who own pit bulls will say 'oh, my dog would never hurt anyone'. That's like the age old argument that guns don't kill, people do. But I'm still not allowed to bring my gun into a bank even though it would only be for my own protection. We have to take proactive measures to help prevent the next death from a pit bull which could be a child or elderly person in Hays. When you have a breed of dog that is large, muscular, and has a tendency to be aggressive, some form of regulation has to be done to protect the public. I have small kids that play at the parks, we take walks in our neighborhood, and they go to friends houses to play. I feel better knowing that stricter rules are in place for people that choose to own a pit bull. If pit bulls really are the gentle giants some make them out to be, then why won't insurance companies provide insurance?
(Posted by: Hays citizen)

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Outrageous: 11/13/2009
BAD JOB COMMISSIONERS......if you think you have the courage to prevent a tragedy then the city of Hays should offer classes to train ALL DOGS. When I was little I was bit by a YORKIE...but you don't see the city banning them do you?? This is discrimination and this vote tells me more about our city commissioners; it taints my view of each of them.
(Posted by: Upset Haysite)

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Brodie the pit bull: 11/13/2009
I have met Mandy's Brodie, and he is one of the calmest dogs I've met. He let children at the bowling alley crawl all over him. Good job, Mandy!
(Posted by: Pam)

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: 11/13/2009
Good Job commissioners. This is a dangerous breed, the only people who don't think so are the owners, and all they have to offer someone who is injured is -- sorry I didn't think they were dangerous! I'm glad that we have city officials have have courage to help prevent a tragedy.
(Posted by: Happy Haysite)

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DUMB: 11/13/2009
This is just a joke, a pit bull is no different than any other dog! Every dog can attack! Its ridiculous to cast out pit bulls! Why don't all of you watch the Dog Whisperer and see how pitbulls that are trained right can act! Its the owner not the dog! Be educated and learn the facts City Council...
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