Innocent until proven guilty: 2/15/2009
What happened to that right? I myself was a victom of rape. To assume thes men are guilty is as vile as the crime itself.I am a grandmother of seven, five are girls, I would be the first to find rape one of the worst crimes commited, however, unless it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt, it is just as crimminal to accuse,therefor unless all of these commentators where at the alledged scene I would strongly suggest they keep their sick comments to themselves and let the facts be proven, and as the saying goes, judge not lest you be judged, just something for all to think about. Remember other college students wrongly accused of the same crime and all of the media hype and resignation of an Officer of the Court? Be Careful of what you say.
(Posted by: A concerned 67 year old Grandmother.)

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: 2/14/2009
If they are posting everyone's names from this case they obviously have a lot of evidence from this case. They wouldn't just post names and give a description of the 4th suspect.
(Posted by: )

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: 2/13/2009
to mike: I didn't go into to details, but regardless what you are saying is that they were once part of the team. That was what I was saying. Personally, I don't think it matters what they were part of its just a fact of the story. Not all football players get in trouble..i'm not saying that. I was responding to the fact it was claimed they had no connection to the team and they once did. That is all...sorry if i didn't specify enough to have facts straight.
(Posted by: ??????)

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: 2/13/2009
I am supprised that the Hays police even arrested them. They are so busy with there speed trap north of Walmart.
(Posted by: Jeff K)

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: 2/13/2009
Do you even know why he got dismissed????Probably not. I do. And it was stupid! He didn't deserve it just like none of the guys deserve this. i can't wait til the truth comes out!
(Posted by: )

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A very sad situation: 2/13/2009
I feel that everyone needs to not judge these people, because this could happen to any of us. Being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It seems to me that these girls knew the gentleman, and allowed them to come into the resident to hang out. Was there forced entry? Maybe they were all out together, and came back to the place where this supposively happened. Maybe it was a situation that got out of hand, or someone didn't want it to get out that they were all together. We don't know much about any of the people that were involved in this insident, except the guys used to be on the football team. It seems that there is more to this story than we know. I just hope that the truth comes out, and the parties that are guilty of a crime, or lying are dealt with. No matter how this turns out, this is going to change everyones life involved, guilty or not. This shows that people need to be alot more aware of the people they hang out with, and what kind of situation they put theirselves in. No matter where you live, be aware of you surrounding, and who are your true friends!!!
(Posted by: A Concerned Mom)

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to ??????: 2/13/2009
To ?????? person... Allen and Draper were **dismissed from the football team in NOVEMBER and Black does not have any eligibilty left because he was a senior. Get your facts straight.
(Posted by: Mike)

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: 2/13/2009
they weren't athletes? yes they played football but were released from the team. Pictures were posted on FHSU site but since this has surfaced they appeared to be removed.
(Posted by: ????)

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You need to remember: 2/13/2009
With the currents budget crises some of the small Colleges are in great danger of being closed in the next few years. Everyone on here needs to stop and think. The small schools will have criminals in sports and out of Sports. Fort Hays have sent many young people into the world with a great start, but for some reason a few bad eggs can rule out what is good about a school. Trust me all College towns have the same problems. So it comes down to do you want a college in hays, or would you rather it was closed.. Something to think about.
(Posted by: Think)

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think: 2/13/2009
rape happenes every day, just as children are abducted every day, you only care about what you hear about from the media. Who cares for the rest of them?
(Posted by: ?)

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Lassie: 2/13/2009
Lassie, DO not compare something from the past just because they played sports. Their are several other crimes committed that doesn't make the news and FYI they weren't athletes!
(Posted by: )

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Question: 2/13/2009
My question is, why did the police release the names of these three guys on the suspicion of rape. I would think that information would have been withheld until more information was gathered. If they are found innocent, they still will have this situation linked to them for ever.
(Posted by: ?)

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: 2/12/2009
Maybe if you judge the FHSU athletes and they read all these comments then they would tell there other people or the deadbeat boys that it is time to grow up and be responsible. Not all FHSU athlets are bad but they need to help keep the bad ones in line. Just because you come from a big city Hays shouldnt be like getting out of jail free card.
(Posted by: kansas bread)

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no surprise: 2/12/2009
What ever happened with LaTravis Turner ? The (former) FHSU basketball player from Oregon who pled no contest to a charge of animal cruelty for stomping a puppy to death - this was reported in the Hays Daily on 8-13-2008. No followup story in the HDN of his sentencing on 9-15-08 ? What kind of person kills a puppy ?!
(Posted by: Lassie)

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: 2/12/2009
I know all the guys on the football team..LOL!
(Posted by: Monika Lewinsky)

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WOW!: 2/12/2009
ok for all you morons saying that the girls are "lying" may I remind you that the paper by law is not allowed to publish anything that isnt the truth so they can NOT publish some random story that a girl made up unless they have probable reason to believe its true, second they have evidence that yes they did indeed rape the girl, after a rape girls have to go through a rape test which is preformed and given by people' who see rape victims on a daily basis their job is to provide proof that there was a rape so pretty sure they would recongize when a girl was just calling "rape" because she was jealous or something stupid like that NO not only that but there was not one but two girls who were sexually assualted by the same guys I think thats a little more than coincidence these guys are obviously criminals they stole, they raped, and to top all off they were caught with marijuanna they obivously werent going anywhere but prison and the only people who are crazy enough to stand by them are the people who THINK they know them and the old senile weirdos who have to bring god into everything the only part god played in this story is the miracle that both girls got away there was 4 full grown guys taking advantage of one girl that could have killed them at anytime and its a miracle that they didn't because my guess is that the guys werent just gonna let the girls go so they could go tell on them god was obviously far from these guys mind neither girls have any reason to lie and make this up and they do not have to prove anything to any of you rape isnt something that neither the victim or the rapist forget but the difference is the rapist dont have to try to continue living a normal life in everyday society like the victim they sit in jail with a whole bunch of other bad people like themselves but the victims have to try and carry on after such a traumatic expeirence its not something that can just b e forgotten or lived down this will follow them for the rest of their lives but the guys deserve what they are gonna get but the girls however did not NOBODY deserves to be forced to do anything they dont wanna do apparently the guys just wanted some so badly they didnt care at whose expense or maybe they just get a kick out of taking advantage of a defenseless girl talk about sick and if the seemen soaked jeans and sheets arent enough proof for you and you still think you wanna "stand by the guys" go let your teenage daughters hang out with these guys see what happens GROW UP and dont be so ignorant yes there are these types of people in hays and yea you may know them but by supporting them your supporting the crime and supporting a rape is just as sick as raping someone.....ur "friends" did something stupid and they'll pay for it
(Posted by: C)

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: 2/12/2009
lets clean up this town. i think they need to go after these guys and throw the book at them, and every criminal in this town. we have a major drug problem in this town. i think law enforcement needs to step up and take care of this problem. as far as these guys go, who cares if they were football players at FHSU. Leave the coaches out of it, they can not be every where to make sure their players are behaving like they should.
(Posted by: Hays resident)

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: 2/12/2009
Keep your head up boys! Keep your mouth shut if you don't know the situation!
(Posted by: )

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: 2/12/2009
So, you ask, "How many fatherless children are in this town b/c there dad was a FHSU athlete for four years and is now gone?" Here's one back at you: why are there so many stupid girls who get involved with them? For every fatherless child, there is a mother who is equally irresponsible. It's not just athletes, folks; there are a lot of deadbeat dads everywhere. The others just don't make the news.
(Posted by: Michelle)

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: 2/12/2009
Thank you sara!
(Posted by: A)

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: 2/12/2009
That makes no since " it doesnt matter if they did it or not" if they didn't do it why in the world should they be charged. Maybe you should think before you write. Because you make no since.
(Posted by: A)

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: 2/12/2009
After I left my last comment on this I realized that it might have came off that all FHSU athletes are like this. I am not saying that i am friends with many Athletes and know that the biggest % of FHSU athletes are very good people and good for the community.
(Posted by: a person that is judging)

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Shocked: 2/12/2009
I don't even know where to start. Reading people's comments make me sick.. You should judge someone until you know the whole story. This article shares only the girls point of view not the guys. I know all three of these guys and to whoever said 250lb guys going around killing people-- these guys barely weigh 200 lbs. so stop preaching about the past stuff people have done. It doesn't matter if you are an athlete, student, teacher, foreign exchange student. Remember at VTech when the foreign exchange student killed numerous people- should the foreign exchange supervisor be fired too? think about it. it's not anyones fault but the individuals. there are good men on the football team and I know just about all of them. So Grow up and stop judging people.
(Posted by: SARA)

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Wake Up: 2/12/2009
to the smart people on here who are saying don't judge come on WAKE UP!!!! it doesnt matter if they did it or not they will get off look at the murder a few years ago the kid they killed was one of my friends and they got off because it was self defense. they were 250 lbs football players hitting him with a bat he was 160 lbs trying to be a friend by breaking up a fight and look what happened so dont tell me to not judge.
(Posted by: somebody who is judging)

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: 2/11/2009
It's true what the person said about they will get probation. Wasn't it just a couple years ago some Fort Hays football players pretty much got a away with murder?
(Posted by: )

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When Will This End: 2/11/2009
When is Fort Hays State going to stop bringing these criminals into our community? They go out and recruit these "athletes/thugs" all in the name of sports. While in our town they commit rapes, drug offenses, even murders! How many fatherless children are in this town b/c there dad was a FHSU athlete for four years and is now gone? Why is it that FHSU students have to pay a sports fee even if they do not participate in any type of athletic activity? The money is going towards bringing in these criminals. Maybe FHSU should start focusing on their academic students and not their athletes/criminals.
(Posted by: )

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FYI: 2/11/2009
Since you so smart....with what coaches need to be here and who need to go.....How is that you can predict the future? News flash...You can't. Anyone could commit a crime, ANYONE can lie. Therefore, you don't know whats going to happen. So don't judge anyone til the truth comes out. Right now it is SUSPICIOUS of rape. DOESN'T mean they did it. Smart one
(Posted by: A)

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Pretending: 2/11/2009
What's sad is that people sit and judge people who they don't know. To hell with coaches who turn their backs on players. Some are just @ the wrong place @ the wrong time. Some need to wake up and smell the coffee a lot of the girls get jealous and create scenes if they dont get what they want and are used to getting everything handed to them on a platter. What ya'll fail to realize is that they are all victims here the devil is getting in on our young people and what do you do point the finger @ whoever you can. When the truth comes to light justice will be served and may God forgive those who are in the wrong. They have nothing to prove to anyone but him.
(Posted by: MZ89K)

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: 2/11/2009
Why not bring the coaches into this discussion? Don't you think they share some responsibility for bringing these people into our community?
(Posted by: )

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: 2/11/2009
Verdugo has got to go, he doesn't win and now we get this garbage. O'Connor at least won some football games. Time for Hammeke & Hammond to say enough is enough
(Posted by: )

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: 2/11/2009
Stop bringing the coaches in this!
(Posted by: A)

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: 2/11/2009
I live in those apartments, please make it safe for all the women that live there.
(Posted by: )

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: 2/11/2009
Seems so weird it could be you one day....
(Posted by: Sarah)

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: 2/11/2009
Seems to me that the last FHSU Football coach was released because of the behavior of the former players. Wasn't this new one supposed to clean up the quality of these recruits? I think he failed.
(Posted by: )

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: 2/11/2009
It's sad that these kind of crimes aren't always acknowledged as much as they should be. As a highschool student, I know that the hays drug bust was big news around school, but I hadn't even heard about this case until I read it just now. It truly makes me sick to my stomach. If this really did happen, I feel these men should be in prison as long as they live, no bail, no parole, nothing. Ask any rape victim, a lot of them would rather be murdered than raped again, so how is rape any better or "less serious" than murder? Maybe it is not as big as offense, but should be taken much, much more seriously than it seems to be in this article. If the men did not commit the act, the person accusing them should be punished, because in my opinion (again, i am only in highschool, so it probably doesn't mean much), claiming rape falsely just to get attention or get yourself out of a sticky situation, is almost as serious as the act of rape itself.
(Posted by: )

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: 2/11/2009
If they've truly done this and we let it go, we set the standard that it's okay to do these kind of things.....
(Posted by: Concerned)

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THERE GUILTY: 2/11/2009
TO BAD DREES IS THE COUNTY ATTORNEY--THESE GUYS WILL PROBALLY GET THE CHARGE REDUCED TO LITTERING AND GET PROBATION FOR A WEEK OR TWO
(Posted by: CITZEN OF ELLIS COUNTY)

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OMG: 2/10/2009
i have partied at those appartments. how scary
(Posted by: kalyn)

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get what they deserve: 2/10/2009
100,000 dollars! I hope they stay in jail and get what they deserve! I dont care if it is rape or just a drug charge... something in the justice system is actually working right!
(Posted by: ...)

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: 2/10/2009
Innocent until proven guilty.
(Posted by: )

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